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		<title>By: I&#8217;ve got your missing links right here (17 November 2012) &#8211; Phenomena: Not Exactly Rocket Science</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve got your missing links right here (17 November 2012) &#8211; Phenomena: Not Exactly Rocket Science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 02:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] aren’t natural scientists, but that’s OK &#8211; neither are pro [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Kudzu</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kudzu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The coin example is rather odd; we also naturally believe in runs of good luck (Don&#039;t jinx it, it&#039;ll land heads again!) and bad luck (This is the fifth time, I guess I&#039;m just having a losing streak.) and perhaps most naturally of all would suspect the coin to be biased for not doing what we expected.

I think the biggest sign that children (and adults) are not natural scientists is their willingness to assert that they are right and to make up explanations for when ever they are proved wrong. There is nothing more obnoxious and anti-science than someone who argues against all evidence to the contrary that something isn&#039;t their fault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coin example is rather odd; we also naturally believe in runs of good luck (Don&#8217;t jinx it, it&#8217;ll land heads again!) and bad luck (This is the fifth time, I guess I&#8217;m just having a losing streak.) and perhaps most naturally of all would suspect the coin to be biased for not doing what we expected.</p>
<p>I think the biggest sign that children (and adults) are not natural scientists is their willingness to assert that they are right and to make up explanations for when ever they are proved wrong. There is nothing more obnoxious and anti-science than someone who argues against all evidence to the contrary that something isn&#8217;t their fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Are Children &#8220;Natural Scientists&#8221; or not? &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Are Children &#8220;Natural Scientists&#8221; or not? &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Now, we have the dissenting view, from Matthew Francis at Galileo&#8217;s Pendulum, in his post &#8220;Children Are Not “Natural” Scientists&#8220;: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, we have the dissenting view, from Matthew Francis at Galileo&#8217;s Pendulum, in his post &#8220;Children Are Not “Natural” Scientists&#8220;: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Lippard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I see that a few links in to what you&#039;re responding to does come from the Cook paper.  I revise my criticism from &quot;straw man&quot; to &quot;taking deGrasse Tyson&#039;s statement too literally.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I see that a few links in to what you&#8217;re responding to does come from the Cook paper.  I revise my criticism from &#8220;straw man&#8221; to &#8220;taking deGrasse Tyson&#8217;s statement too literally.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4614</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Lippard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I think your arguments are sound for the point you&#039;re making, you&#039;re also not engaging with the actual research (e.g. http://web.mit.edu/eccl/papers/CookGoodmanSchulz2011.pdf) and points made by those who are making the claim, who are usually arguing that methods of teaching children can *encourage* curiosity and experimentation, or they can *discourage* it, and that we should use the former.  In other words, you&#039;re attacking a straw man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think your arguments are sound for the point you&#8217;re making, you&#8217;re also not engaging with the actual research (e.g. <a href="http://web.mit.edu/eccl/papers/CookGoodmanSchulz2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/eccl/papers/CookGoodmanSchulz2011.pdf</a>) and points made by those who are making the claim, who are usually arguing that methods of teaching children can *encourage* curiosity and experimentation, or they can *discourage* it, and that we should use the former.  In other words, you&#8217;re attacking a straw man.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Letter to Senator Marco Rubio &#171; Galileo&#039;s Pendulum</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Open Letter to Senator Marco Rubio &#171; Galileo&#039;s Pendulum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: No, children are not natural born scientists</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No, children are not natural born scientists]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] still a far cry from being natural-born &#8220;scientists&#8221;. To suggest otherwise, warns real-life, classically trained astrophysicist Matthew Francis, is to cultivate a pernicious myth which, &#8220;like many myths, [is] a mixture of truth and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] still a far cry from being natural-born &#8220;scientists&#8221;. To suggest otherwise, warns real-life, classically trained astrophysicist Matthew Francis, is to cultivate a pernicious myth which, &#8220;like many myths, [is] a mixture of truth and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: newsjudy</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4607</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[newsjudy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating and well-written post! And I agree whole-heartedly. You know that I have 2 kids, and you probably remember my boy (who we now know to have Asperger&#039;s, so maybe he&#039;s not a good example). His favorite (ad nauseum) thing to say is, &quot;Nothing can be true unless it is proven to be 100% true&quot;. I really do believe he may find his destiny in science one day, and he is certainly a born explorer and questioner of the establishment. But I do wonder how much of this is nurture, as well. Since we are not religious people and are raising our kids in a critical-thinking household, I wonder if my kids have a better chance of becoming critical thinkers than most? I am not saying here that &quot;my kids are better than yours&quot;. I am only saying it is a difference in how we teach our kids to view the world. I agree that children are born to be curious. That is the job of children - to sort out the big confusing world. But how much of that natural curiosity is squashed by parenting styles that do not leave room for that curiosity to grow? Or that does not leave room for questioning established thinking? I realize I have gone off onto a tangent here that was not the focus of your post. Suffice it to say that I think some children have a better chance to become scientists than others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating and well-written post! And I agree whole-heartedly. You know that I have 2 kids, and you probably remember my boy (who we now know to have Asperger&#8217;s, so maybe he&#8217;s not a good example). His favorite (ad nauseum) thing to say is, &#8220;Nothing can be true unless it is proven to be 100% true&#8221;. I really do believe he may find his destiny in science one day, and he is certainly a born explorer and questioner of the establishment. But I do wonder how much of this is nurture, as well. Since we are not religious people and are raising our kids in a critical-thinking household, I wonder if my kids have a better chance of becoming critical thinkers than most? I am not saying here that &#8220;my kids are better than yours&#8221;. I am only saying it is a difference in how we teach our kids to view the world. I agree that children are born to be curious. That is the job of children &#8211; to sort out the big confusing world. But how much of that natural curiosity is squashed by parenting styles that do not leave room for that curiosity to grow? Or that does not leave room for questioning established thinking? I realize I have gone off onto a tangent here that was not the focus of your post. Suffice it to say that I think some children have a better chance to become scientists than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Porlock Junior</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porlock Junior]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True enough.

Or, one might say, not quite true enough. The problem is that this statement cannot be understood before one has acquired a considerable amount of knowledge that is thoroughly non-, even counter-, intuitive. 

For a long time these nitpicking distinctions didn&#039;t matter, in any obvious practically important way. But now the possibility of doing science depends on this stuff. Hence, for me, it&#039;s a case in point for the posting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough.</p>
<p>Or, one might say, not quite true enough. The problem is that this statement cannot be understood before one has acquired a considerable amount of knowledge that is thoroughly non-, even counter-, intuitive. </p>
<p>For a long time these nitpicking distinctions didn&#8217;t matter, in any obvious practically important way. But now the possibility of doing science depends on this stuff. Hence, for me, it&#8217;s a case in point for the posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabine Hossenfelder (@skdh)</title>
		<link>http://galileospendulum.org/2012/11/15/children-are-not-natural-scientists/#comment-4597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabine Hossenfelder (@skdh)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are in addition many reasons why humans are simply not born good scientists. We have a lot of cognitive biases and fall prey to social influence. That&#039;s why scientists use a lot of techniques to avoid they fool themselves, think double-blind trials, peer review, statistical analysis and so on. You&#039;re not born with that and it&#039;s not intuitive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are in addition many reasons why humans are simply not born good scientists. We have a lot of cognitive biases and fall prey to social influence. That&#8217;s why scientists use a lot of techniques to avoid they fool themselves, think double-blind trials, peer review, statistical analysis and so on. You&#8217;re not born with that and it&#8217;s not intuitive.</p>
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